so yeah, I guess that will be...

[Koray]

Ermm wtf nikolay are you really leaving? When we count you as an honurable member of this family? No, dont go anywhere.You were  one of my favourites.I used to enjoy playing with you.Listen to me mate.See we are  discussing about it.

And, I Think this case  has started when we old players left the game.I should blame myself for it.

Applications must be discussed privately among only full members.Thats the best way

[NewK]

Applications must be discussed privately among only full members.Thats the best way

If every clan were to discuss applications privately, we would have no way to research about an applicant, because when someone applies we go to other forums and see if we find something bad about them on their applications. And other clans do the same thing when they come to our forum to research about an applicant, so I think we should keep it public. If there's anything that needs to be discussed privately we always have the private boards and everyone is free to make a topic about the applicant.

[Kelvin]

You are wrong hans. It doesnt mean i dont listen to you when i accept or deny an application. I always give enough time to applications accept them according to vote counts. If majority wants a player but you dont it has nothing to do with me. I just do my job.  About recruiting, no clan can get experienced players nowadays and if you remember we could only beat osk in clan league and sometimes we couldnt evden find enough players for the games. I wanted to have ready players in the hand and i bet no trainee member we have at the moment is bad. Yolu arent evden active enough ingame but i always watch them and  they get better day by dağ.

[WildRose]

1. Nico - How could you just decide to leave on such a reason? You surely can do many things about it. You just had to make a topic like this but just the content could have been different. One really has to put forward their ideas to the family as I(atleast me) is inactive these days due to personal life. But that doesn't mean senior member like you or Halch or anyone here who can see this(Shit players being accepted) would post such a reason.

2. We can go by the voting of just the members but one thing to look here is, how many members are actually active. We need to figure that out first and then we can streamline our voting accordingly. What I would suggest here is, you can make a vote count for all scouts and trainees and just let the members vote to whose votes would else be counted with the members. For ex -> There are 10-12 active members. We got 12 votes, One member can vote once and only 1 scout and 1 trainee. So, whichever the 2 vote getting highest trainee or scout there is, we shall count their votes only and noone else. And yes, we can keep the secrecy of that thing totally within us.

3. We can even have a mass kickout. We have had it in past and we can again have it. Clearing a roaster is not something one should be scared of.

4. Nico, trainee tag we made is for newbies itself. I do know that full members are not much active these days but vcmp itself is on a stagnant time these days. And trust me, once it charms me back, I will be back with a roll and hit streets. Take initiatives to do things not always your leader or co leader would be doing everything. We value everyone and every member. To know actual worth and what you have in your mind, you gotta tell us bcz we cannot read each other's mind while being on internet.

5. Take back that god damn stupid decision back and talk about who all members needs to mended upon and we all can have a brief discussion about it.

[N.Nikolay]

Seems like a faulty excuse to me. You say you didn't like how things were going but you didn't really do anything to change it, you could've created a topic talking about it or pm'ed the leaders, you just didn't care.

NewK, Why should I search for lame excuses if I really like the clan? I guess I've proved that. Another thing, In my first post I was trying to say it's only me and (probably a few full members) who don't like that we accepted some members and I thought that everyone else is fine with that. I do admit I did a mistake and unwanted drama by doing this, should have made a topic or something.

Applications must be discussed privately among only full members.Thats the best way

If every clan were to discuss applications privately, we would have no way to research about an applicant, because when someone applies we go to other forums and see if we find something bad about them on their applications. And other clans do the same thing when they come to our forum to research about an applicant, so I think we should keep it public. If there's anything that needs to be discussed privately we always have the private boards and everyone is free to make a topic about the applicant.

Well, I was thinking about changing the current vote system to private, but yes it has its pros and cons. One of which is this, but I don't really mind as long as everyone else is fine with it. Another thing I was thinking about is to leave the current system as it is, but we (full members) to have a board where we can discuss about the applicant and stuff.

4th option (added by me, take it into consideration if it looks good)
Full Member rank counts 3 votes
Scout rank counts 2 vote
Trainee rank counts 1 votes (under reserves, that means that if that trainee doesn't post an enough good reason, his/her vote won't be taken into account)

Some of the trainees could have a good reason to vote and it shouldn't be ignored.

This is good, but again I think we should have a private board (only mk full members).

What I'm trying to say is that, we need to give a higher value to the vote given for a full member and less value to the vote given for a scout or a trainee, It gives us less chance to receive biased votes which were not analized in a correct way.

Not suitable imho.

We were fine 2 or 3 months ago but now we are accepting every random noob. i haven't made any topic about this bcz i thought i am the only who dislikes them but i am wrong.

It's okay, even if you were the only one to think that way, don't be afraid to make a topic talking about it, remember, this is a clan a not a dictatorship, we give alot of value to what our senior/full members have to say, and Nikolay knows this very well, we proved that when eagle was accepted as Trainee but since many senior members didn't agree with the decision, we agreed to kick him. That's why I say this is a faulty excuse, I don't believe this is his motive to leave.

Well, yeah I thought the same and still Newk why should I search for excuses when I've been in this clan for like 2 years now, which clan I love with all my heart, doesn't make sense to me. And yes we kicked Eagle back then, but tell me what we do if someone dislikes an applicant even though stating the facts about him, he still gets accepted per the votes?

[N.Nikolay]

He's showing us an absolute leak of loyalty.

Yea, with this he just proved that he doesn't care about the clan. Moric has the same concerns as him, yet he didn't leave the clan like him, he chose to stay and try to help.
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Consider it as you want, I think it's too rude to say that I don't care about the clan since I've been a member of it for like 2 years. Moric has his own decisions and he can decide whether to leave or not. I just did what I thought it was good.

[NewK]

NewK, Why should I search for lame excuses if I really like the clan? I guess I've proved that. Another thing, In my first post I was trying to say it's only me and (probably a few full members) who don't like that we accepted some members and I thought that everyone else is fine with that. I do admit I did a mistake and unwanted drama by doing this, should have made a topic or something.

That's true, you proved that you're loyal and you earned our trust by being in this clan for so long but once you made this topic and made the decision to leave, you lost all the trust we put in you.

Well, I was thinking about changing the current vote system to private, but yes it has its pros and cons. One of which is this, but I don't really mind as long as everyone else is fine with it. Another thing I was thinking about is to leave the current system as it is, but we (full members) to have a board where we can discuss about the applicant and stuff.

This board we're in is only available to full members already, I've always said you guys are free to create topics here to discuss whatever you want to, and don't worry, even if you're the only one who has an opinion, it's always good to discuss it among members so we can reach a solution that pleases the majority.

Consider it as you want, I think it's too rude to say that I don't care about the clan since I've been a member of it for like 2 years. Moric has his own decisions and he can decide whether to leave or not. I just did what I thought it was good.

If you think it was rude, that's fine it's your opinion, but this topic and your decision to leave was pretty rude aswell, specially after we put so much trust in you over these years.

Well, yeah I thought the same and still Newk why should I search for excuses when I've been in this clan for like 2 years now, which clan I love with all my heart, doesn't make sense to me. And yes we kicked Eagle back then, but tell me what we do if someone dislikes an applicant even though stating the facts about him, he still gets accepted per the votes?

Like I said above; it's true you've been in this clan for a long time now and you've earned your place but when you made this decision about leaving, how do you think that made us feel? It made us feel like we miss-placed our trust in you because even after 2 years you chose to leave instead of trying to find a solution for these issues. And yes, there's going to be times where we won't all agree on the applications but that's how it is, that's how every clan works, it's impossible to please every single member, but that is nothing new. We've all been in the same place where you are now, It has happened to pretty much everyone in this clan, many of us have voted negative on some applications and they were still accepted, but none of us left the clan because of it,  if we were to leave the clan every time we didn't agree with applications, alot of us would've probably left already. When a situation like that happens, we just try to have a little faith and believe that the trainee will get better, or sometimes we train it ourselves so that we make sure that he gets better. (Hopefully with the new votecount system, situations like this won't happen anymore)

About your membership, I've talked with ashay already and I told him that if the majority of our active full members want you back, and if you also want to come back, I have no problem with that, since you've admitted a mistake  and you've been a member of this clan for a long a time and I never had any reason for complaints about you.