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Clan => Inactivity => Departure => Topic started by: Bhai on September 19, 2016, 06:58:18 pm
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oka, enough of this drama. I just spoke to my leader regarding my promotion (FaF), so I asked him that when I'm getting promoted just discussing the stuff. He said ask other, NewK and Halchter I said why not himself. He said He is busying in something, So I just randomly asked, Drake and Me were promoted to MKs same time. He got promoted to Full too but not Me. The reason Drake was promoted that He did contribute and revive XE. I said FaF, i've to revive a server to get full member. which is well and good, salute men 10/10. this means, I don't know scripting or any stuff, I've to learn coding, lang like C++ and Java and go check what server died in 0.3z and revive them back in 0.4 and contribute to VC:MP. Then I'll get full member. So, a message for trainees and scouts here on. You've to revive a server, Oka. Later on He said, that I've been arguing alot too. This was the reason one of too why I left MK in the past, cause MK wasn't taking interest and when we were invited League everyone said they'll come in league, Only only, Halchter and Kockex seems to be interested in it. A argue which fire up between Me and Blurry, This was the reason I left MK before. Not blaming him, Just telling the reason. I always gave ideas, but it end up in argue. 1 more shit was happened in CF vs MK. The things, I ever arguing on in past fire up FaF maybe others too, He said 'I (Me, Bhai) argue alot) but I was just giving some suggestions, planning ideas. Here, Just for FaF, I LEFT CAUSE OF PROMOTION. Fine? Oka. You said, I add this in post, I did.
last words.
Hi, It's been 1 year, 8 months since I've been here. I learnt alot of things here, Made new friends. You guys improved Me gave me a chance. I won't forgot it, But I guess It's time to say bye. I'm busy with my real life. maybe i won't get much time now. So cya. Love MK. <3 A special thanks to Kelvin, Halcther, Dave, FaF, Kockex, Niko and CrackM4. Love You guys. ;) =)
Cya.
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Ok Mate. Had a great time with you. Goodluck. and Bye!
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You are just too thick and jealous of others, you fail to get it that at times people get promotions is because of what they have done for the clan and community, Drake revived a server and so I think he brought respect to the clan, but that doesnt mean it is the only thing you have to do. For eg I gave u a responsibility of EAD league as you were questioning and arguing alot when we suffered losses, but you chickened out much before. You cant just come here and start blaming and arguing. You have become really thick these days.
And who the heck asks for promotion? remember those nablets trex and floris brought your promotion in their discussion, I guess you were quite well spreading it and so they picked it up.
Anyways what happens, happens for better.
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dunno what's going on, just good luck as i said in your previous leaving note, bye.
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told ya FaF :p
Bhai, I'll try to be as clear as possible with you about why you weren't promoted, the main problem was your activity. You've been in this clan for nearly 2 years now and for most of that period, you weren't even here, you were inactive for most of the time. Yes, you haven't even been active for 1 full year as a clan member, you show up every couple of months and expect to be promoted just because you joined a long time ago. That's not how it works, we don't promote inactive members. For all I care you could have joined 20 years ago, but if you're not active you wont be promoted, it's as simple as that. Time in the clan means nothing towards a promotion unless you're actually actively playing the game. Even so, for every time you returned from your inactivity period we tried to give you a chance for you to prove yourself, CTF:TT, MK Clanwars, voice chat on discord, and we even gave you a team of members for you to lead (EAD Tournament). And I'm sorry to say but all of those chances were nothing but disappointments. You refused to join voice chat every time you were invited, and when there was a loss you were the only member always trying to find people to blame rather than trying to improve and fix what went wrong. At that point, seeing that you were always criticising all of the choices that were made, we decided to give you your own team (EAD Tournament) so you could make your own decisions and stop blaming other people. You quickly cracked under pressure and gave up on that and so Halchter had to pick up your slack, when you rejoined the clan and came back to it, it was too late and no one was interested in it anymore. I was actually against you rejoining but FaF being the nice guy that he is, tought you should have a 2nd chance.
This doesn't phase me since I was expecting it, was just a matter of time really. About why Drake was promoted first, it's very simple. From the moment he became a trainee to the moment he reached full membership he was always active in the community. Sometimes playing, sometimes scripting, sometimes providing free hosting for everyone in the VC:MP community. You see, not only did he contribute to the clan but he contributed to the whole community and even revived an official server. He was always active in the community, forums, IRC, ingame, etc... You however, just come and go, and every single time you come back, you return thinking that you should be promoted just because time has passed. And as I said, that's not how it works. So yea, cya around.
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ok, bye x2
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What a disappointment, do you want my full member rank?
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What a disappointment, do you want my full member rank?
also mine
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meh
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This is not the first time I see an MK leaving because he was not promoted.
I never saw Bhai doing anything wrong ?
But yeah newk's and faf's pov must not be ignored, bhai should also remember the fact that FaF and newk knows more about clan and stuff and they know what they are doing.
If you remember that I was a TZ
Here is something I would like to share,I was promoted after an year from TZ_R to Full because of the simple fact that I might not be ready and look how much respect I earned being a part of one of the most hated clan in VCMP.
Running away from problems is not a solution.
Maybe you could have changed MK's promotion methods when you were finally promoted to full MK so that others could not face the same problem that you faced .
With hearty wishes
Goodluck
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This is not the first time I see an MK leaving because he was not promoted.
I never saw Bhai doing anything wrong ?
But yeah newk's and faf's pov must not be ignored, bhai should also remember the fact that FaF and newk knows more about clan and stuff and they know what they are doing.
If you remember that I was a TZ
Here is something I would like to share,I was promoted after an year from TZ_R to Full because of the simple fact that I might not be ready and look how much respect I earned being a part of one of the most hated clan in VCMP.
Running away from problems is not a solution.
Maybe you could have changed MK's promotion methods when you were finally promoted to full MK so that others could not face the same problem that you faced .
With hearty wishes
Goodluck
You know what we have even promoted people like cerberus who themselves said that they would never play vcmp and were only active on forums and so it's not that we don't promote members and why bhai wasn't promoted all this time, newk has already mentioned and you should read it all in case u haven't and that you wish to be part of the conversation. I said this because you advised him to become a full member sooner or later and fix the promotion system which doesn't need any fixing. Just read what newk said, that is why he wasn't yet promoted and still he was bugging me for it and arguing with me.
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I never expected that you'd mention me for my promotion.
Goodluck wherever you go.
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Good luck.
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You are just too thick and jealous of others, you fail to get it that at times people get promotions is because of what they have done for the clan and community, Drake revived a server and so I think he brought respect to the clan, but that doesnt mean it is the only thing you have to do. For eg I gave u a responsibility of EAD league as you were questioning and arguing alot when we suffered losses, but you chickened out much before. You cant just come here and start blaming and arguing. You have become really thick these days.
And who the heck asks for promotion? remember those nablets trex and floris brought your promotion in their discussion, I guess you were quite well spreading it and so they picked it up.
Anyways what happens, happens for better.
Pls, If I was jealous about Drake, I would have done this right after He was promoted. But, I ain't jealous of anyone from the clan, It just You (FaF) You started this, I came on fb to talk about this, you took it to whole new level. It's obvious if a clan member is having problem, who else He go to ask the solution? Behonest and tell when ever I asked something, They gave a reply, just tell. I asked time again in VU vs MK, No one replied. The reason I was arguing, Those post were made to discuss and point out mistakes that cause us to lose. I just asked, You were one claiming my asking as a argue.
I never expected that you'd mention me for my promotion.
Goodluck wherever you go.
I ain't jealous of you or hate you or some other shit. I mentioned You there as a example.
told ya FaF :p
Bhai, I'll try to be as clear as possible with you about why you weren't promoted, the main problem was your activity. You've been in this clan for nearly 2 years now and for most of that period, you weren't even here, you were inactive for most of the time. Yes, you haven't even been active for 1 full year as a clan member, you show up every couple of months and expect to be promoted just because you joined a long time ago. That's not how it works, we don't promote inactive members. For all I care you could have joined 20 years ago, but if you're not active you wont be promoted, it's as simple as that. Time in the clan means nothing towards a promotion unless you're actually actively playing the game. Even so, for every time you returned from your inactivity period we tried to give you a chance for you to prove yourself, CTF:TT, MK Clanwars, voice chat on discord, and we even gave you a team of members for you to lead (EAD Tournament). And I'm sorry to say but all of those chances were nothing but disappointments. You refused to join voice chat every time you were invited, and when there was a loss you were the only member always trying to find people to blame rather than trying to improve and fix what went wrong. At that point, seeing that you were always criticising all of the choices that were made, we decided to give you your own team (EAD Tournament) so you could make your own decisions and stop blaming other people. You quickly cracked under pressure and gave up on that and so Halchter had to pick up your slack, when you rejoined the clan and came back to it, it was too late and no one was interested in it anymore. I was actually against you rejoining but FaF being the nice guy that he is, tought you should have a 2nd chance.
This doesn't phase me since I was expecting it, was just a matter of time really. About why Drake was promoted first, it's very simple. From the moment he became a trainee to the moment he reached full membership he was always active in the community. Sometimes playing, sometimes scripting, sometimes providing free hosting for everyone in the VC:MP community. You see, not only did he contribute to the clan but he contributed to the whole community and even revived an official server. He was always active in the community, forums, IRC, ingame, etc... You however, just come and go, and every single time you come back, you return thinking that you should be promoted just because time has passed. And as I said, that's not how it works. So yea, cya around.
Ye, I wasn't active that time, My board exams up there on my head hanging. I spent half of my day in my coaching class and just come back at home at nights. But, it isn't even like that I've not been inactive for 1 full year. Oka, Let'stake all the example You mentions. CTF:TT, Don't say I didn't came? See those post. 'Thank You for an awesome show, awesome bastards' by FaF, read whos problem it was? Not blaming Dave, Took the wrong time and did it 5vs2 gg, I wasn't the one with this, He said, I came. MK clanwar, CF vs MK, I came in for CW CF vs MK stayed there spectating you guys playing, stayed there for 3 rounds and left, Cause I've school next day with a test, voice chat on discord, the problem with me that I shy, I'm saying clearly, I don't bother to talk with the peoples, class mates and cousins in my real life < there's no way to prove it, But I don't even talk to anyone but just my family, Cause people in my city are always asslickers, they lick get their job done and forgot what it made their things done. and talking about voice chat, I shy the reason I didn't talked, Simple. You didn't gave Me a team. I asked and keep asking somehow it made. If if, I played SS - MK in EAD, and we lost, Then You can even kicked Me from clan and do anything You want. I wasn't one playing, Ye, it should go with planning, Who did planning there, I keep asked for base, Kockex replied with some base, but none of others agreed on it. None of them or told new bases. Cause, I don't want to organize every thing and then we lose, All members say it's my fault I did took decision. I left, You can see those posts, When I quit Hal took over, He himself took that base and decide everything, and all the things I mention in post of these all CTF TT, Clan War and EAD goes to the mistakes that happened, They took it as a argue, Same thing happened with FaF and Me yesterday, I came to Him for my problem, It went to argue. Simple. I never refused to stay in voice chat, I was always there and listen You guys. Like You said, 'so you could make your own decisions and stop blaming other people.' People never even get on my decisions. Ye, FaF is a nice guy, But If You see who's mistake there it was to start the drama then say Me. Blurry was the reason i quit for the first time. He thinks I was doing eveything in My comfort zone even He don't know what happens in my life.
I appreciate what Drake did and is doing. But everyone can't do those things that others do. He can do scripting, I can't, He has a VPS, He help other, Oh Yea, Didn't I offered My VPS to MK? when CTF dead? But You guys refused. Like I said, Everyone can't do those things that others can do. Drake can script, hosting and all those stuff. But, Now can Drake do all those stuff that I do in my life? uh. I never return to be get promoted. I was always here, Yes I was dead in past in few months. But I also came back to alive. The reason behind I contact FaF was my promotion, Just to know if I'm not doing those things which I should do cause He knows it, Not any other member.
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You managed to missunderstand alot of my points Bhai. About CTF:TT, I never said you didnt come, when I said CTF:TT I meant that we included you in the tournament, as a way for you to prove yourself and show that you were ready for a promotion, we also tried to include you in the MK-CF clanwar, but as we always say, we will give priority to members who use voice chat. You refused to use voice chat on every ocasion, and then got mad that you weren't picked to play, I'm not sure what you were expecting there... About the EAD tournament you already know what I said was not new, since Blurry had already said it before.
Also, let me clear something up here. You seem to be under the impression that the decision for promotions are made by admins only, I can see why you would think that and I know alot of outsiders have this impression aswell, but that's really not the case. You can ask any of our full members. In the full member section of the forum, members are encouraged to post suggestions about promotions, and whom they think deserves them. Drake's promotion, Niko's promotion, Crack's promotion, Marcos' promotion etc... were all suggested, discussed and agreed upon by alot of the full members at the time. Nearly all the promotions in the past 2 years or so were suggested by members and discussed on that board. And you wanna know what? In the near 2 years that you were in MK, no member ever suggested your promotion on that board. Not so much because of your attitude or personality, but because you just weren't active enough, so putting all the other issues aside, the main reason was still, like I said, your activity.
About scripting or offering VPS's etc.. that's obviously not a requirement for being promoted. Drake's example was just to prove that he was active in the community by doing those things, while you were inactive.
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You managed to missunderstand alot of my points Bhai. About CTF:TT, I never said you didnt come, when I said CTF:TT I meant that we included you in the tournament, as a way for you to prove yourself and show that you were ready for a promotion, we also tried to include you in the MK-CF clanwar, but as we always say, we will give priority to members who use voice chat. You refused to use voice chat on every ocasion, and then got mad that you weren't picked to play, I'm not sure what you were expecting there... About the EAD tournament you already know what I said was not new, since Blurry had already said it before.
Yes, I came, But You know what happened there? Dave started the match with the Members of 2 vs 5, 2 For our team and 5 for another team which was against us. First member was Dave and the second one I don't know who was He and the rest of our team never knew that there's a match going on. I would have played it but I was busy at that time, And I already mention that before our CTF TT match. I would have proved that I'm ready, If I had played any of these eg, CTF TT, EAD, CF vs MK. The reason i refused to talk on voice chat, It makes me shy and uncomfortable, But I always stayed on voice chat and listen what You guys were talking about.
Also, let me clear something up here. You seem to be under the impression that the decision for promotions are made by admins only, I can see why you would think that and I know alot of outsiders have this impression aswell, but that's really not the case. You can ask any of our full members. In the full member section of the forum, members are encouraged to post suggestions about promotions, and whom they think deserves them. Drake's promotion, Niko's promotion, Crack's promotion, Marcos' promotion etc... were all suggested, discussed and agreed upon by alot of the full members at the time. Nearly all the promotions in the past 2 years or so were suggested by members and discussed on that board. And you wanna know what? In the near 2 years that you were in MK, no member ever suggested your promotion on that board. Not so much because of your attitude or personality, but because you just weren't active enough, so putting all the other issues aside, the main reason was still, like I said, your activity.
About scripting or offering VPS's etc.. that's obviously not a requirement for being promoted. Drake's example was just to prove that he was active in the community by doing those things, while you were inactive.
I don't knew that Full member decide this or our leaders do. That time I felt Leaders are the one who does it. I don't know what caused full members not do think about Me or whatever happened. I can't say anything here. I felt, I should talk to FaF regarding My promotion, I did, He said talk to NewK and Hal, It sound weird to Me and the feeling came, If I do, maybe I lost my chance, That's the reason, I talked to FaF only. But, It end up in argue and stuff. I just goto FaF for some help, ofc a clan member will go for his seniors to get his problem solved if its related to clan and I did the same.
Well, You guys said Drake did contributed to VC:MP and make MK proud, I ain't pointing My finger to him. But, I couldn't do any of this stuff like Drake did. I can't script or contributed any thing to VC:MP. The reason I was inactive I told it 2 or more than that. All I will just say now, forgot this as a nightmare and move on and lock this topic.
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Dude, in all honesty, who the hell are you to question NewK and others' points? Leaders aren't there just for the lulz, they are there 'cuz they know more than the average member or even better, they are the founders. NewK told me the same thing, "we cannot promote you if you don't actively play the game" and I said OK, why would I start a quarrel with the decision of a clan's leader? If he wants to demote your ass, then he does so and if he thinks you are mature enough (overall), you will be promoted. It is as simple as that. I left the clan because I was never going to be promoted, so was no use, just faced the facts and accepted them and did not cry unlike you. Most of you remember my past, it was not an easy one, but I think that at least I regained some respect and that is all that matters for me. Do what your superior says to you and stop arguing, ffs. Anyways it's too late now, I reckon.
You know what we have even promoted people like cerberus who themselves said that they would never play vcmp and were only active on forums and so it's not that we don't promote members
^ This. They at least gave me MKs for my duration in the clan, but wanted activity in-game which I could not deliver.
GL with this bs.
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Its really hard to make you understand things as I see Newk replying same stuff again and again and look at you, you are just wasting his time by again posting replies when you should just get satisfied with the replies and stop posting because also there is no need for any discussion as you have already left, but then I know you are so thick you will continue to reply so Ill just sum it up and lock this topic.
Firstly, You werent active enough, you were given chances to help your promotion, remember no one is made so clear of it like you were as I mentioned to you that I will promote you if you bring MK a good place in EAD league and I gave this responsibility to you because all of a sudden you started questioning my credibility in MK vs CF clanwar when you werent even present there to see the whole match.
You were asked alot of times to get on voice chat but you always appeared so shy and uncomfortable, but not shy when it comes to opposing your leader. Most members who are active use Mic now and you tend not to use it which affects performance in clanwars and yet we gave you chances in being part of clanwar or managing the team.
Coming to the EAD thing, I have you that chance because you were judging my credibility in managing a team and therefore i gave it to you and you couldnt even arrange and within sometime you quit it. I had to push you into it otherwise you wouldnt do anything and you ask for promotions.
You fail to understand that promotions are based on what you do for the clan or the community or in the end its the loyalty that gets you eventually promoted. You mentioned Drake and thats why I told you why he was promoted and then you started calling our decisions illogical and started making fun of it that to get promotions you need to revive a server.
I had already told you i was busy and talk to halchter or newk or some other leader or post on forums if you have some query or need help but you kept on getting on my nerves with your questions and silly insulting statements. You even started comparing MK management to LW management by saying that you left LW staff because they did not promote you and then they told you that you never asked them for promotion. You fail to understand that no ones asks to get promoted and I dont know why would they say this as this is in itself illogical.
Also In this clan once someone is out, he is out while you were the one who got another chance when you left and still you wasted it again.
And lastly, go read our last conversation, you did not come to me for help, you came to me to ask when will you be promoted. I never deny help to any member, if I was like that I wouldnt have replied to you in the first place. I told you I am busy with something yet you keep messaging me about the promotion. It is similar to new applicants asking for votes which turns out bad for them and it did for you.
In the end I would just say, we would have eventually promoted you, it doesnt costs us anything and we dont have anything really against anyone but you were impatient.
You keep portraying it like you know it better than us how to manage a clan, how to manage promotions, how to manage clanwars, always pointing out flaws.
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Just to add that any member is welcome to ask me for their promotion, just don't turn out to be excessively impatient about it. I had at least a few members who asked me and I made a discussion for each one of them, plus I mentioned what they may lack. This was the situation with Drake, the most recent one.
All the best, Bhai.
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You may not be too contributive or active. Then,you can push yourself more to be a better player but i have not really seen any move regarding that.
Anyways,thanks for all good time,and i wish you good luck for the future.
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P.S
Those in the clan or outside the clan think that the promotion is in the hands of the leader totally then let me clear something for you that we the leaders let the full members vote for each promotion and account for their suggestion for the same.
We are VOTING and every member or leader has just ONE vote. So, its a very fair way to promote anyone.
Again, Bhai just a suggestion learn to handle things more maturely because being a spectator of everything I can surely tell you that you have been impatient about all this. The leaders of this clan have been involved in this game and managing the clan since you didn't even know PC games exist. So, you should always respect their opinion and judgement but ofcourse you suggest them the measures to correct.
Hal being a member posted a very intense topic about how the clan is gaining bad reputation and everything. That topic picked up a lot of heat but in the end it was for the betterment of the clan and things were modified similarly. And now look where he is. So, arguing over something isn't wrong, FORCING YOUR OPINION is surely is.
Anyway, good luck with your impatience. Hope you get you brain to work.