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Clan => Inactivity => Departure => Topic started by: N.Nikolay on February 09, 2014, 06:08:13 pm
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ugh, don't know from where to start
First of all, I want to say that I've never thought of making a leaving topic, but apparently I proved myself wrong.
I was thinking about this a long time ago, but wanted to see how the things will go. The reason for my departure is that I don't like the recent changes into the clan, referring to the accepted members lately.MK has changed drastically over the past few months, I don't like that. We've accepted some members which we shouldn't. I know that I didn't do anything about this, but I thought myself that nobody would pay attention to what I'm saying.
MK has always been a good clan, just I don't think we should accept some members. Well that's it in a nutshell. Don't get me wrong we've had great times together and I appreciate everything you have done for me. I guess that will be... seeya around.
with love,
Nikolay
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Seems like a faulty excuse to me. You say you didn't like how things were going but you didn't really do anything to change it, you could've created a topic talking about it or pm'ed the leaders, you just didn't care. I'd rather you being honest and say you're going try another clan, than this. But that's fine, this is not anything new, people leave and that's the only way we can ever have a loyal roster. Best of luck.
EDIT: I'll remove your forum rank later, just in case you want to reply to any of the replies on this topic, since once I remove the rank you won't be able to see this topic because it's in the members section.
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We've accepted some members which we shouldn't. I know that I didn't do anything about this, but I thought myself that nobody would pay attention to what I'm saying.
I agree on this we should stop accepting every random noob who applies in clan, but leaving is not best idea
i would suggest you to change your decision so we can talk about this,
but I thought myself that nobody would pay attention to what I'm saying.
You are wrong on this point.
Why do you think that no one will pay attention, you are most honourable member of this clan.
ps : Do not remove his member ship until we finish this
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We've accepted some members which we shouldn't. I know that I didn't do anything about this, but I thought myself that nobody would pay attention to what I'm saying.
I agree on this we should stop accepting every random noob who applies in clan, but leaving is not best idea
i would suggest you to change your decision so we can talk about this,
If you agree then why haven't you said anything about it aswell? Alot people like to point at the problems and criticize, but think about it, if there's a problem and you don't say anything about it (create a topic, etc) how are you helping the clan?
By "you", I don't mean you specifically, I mean everyone that says there's problems with the clan but don't do anything to help fix them and just leave.
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We've accepted some members which we shouldn't. I know that I didn't do anything about this, but I thought myself that nobody would pay attention to what I'm saying.
I agree on this we should stop accepting every random noob who applies in clan, but leaving is not best idea
i would suggest you to change your decision so we can talk about this,
If you agree then why haven't you said anything about it aswell? Alot people like to point at the problems and criticize, but think about it, if there's a problem and you don't say anything about it (create a topic, etc) how are you helping the clan?
By "you", I don't mean you specifically, I mean everyone that says there's problems with the clan but don't do anything to help fix them and just leave.
We were fine 2 or 3 months ago but now we are accepting every random noob. i haven't made any topic about this bcz i thought i am the only who dislikes them but i am wrong.
and most of our members specially Trannies they don't even give reasons while voting on applications.
Now i think Trannies vote should not be counted bcz they just vote MKt every random noob
i also think this is the right time to do some changes or may be i am little late.
Nikolay i would suggest you to change your decision so we can talk about this,
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Well. We can do something different in votecounts and kick so many newbies just to earn you back,you know but if you have a problem or doubts about players or whatever,you can talk to us.You are more important than so many players in this clan and your ideas are important.Just tell us what is needed.
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Seems like you guys need a cow saying, nein xXXXXX times in the recent apps, is that true?
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Kelvin, I already said so many times not to recruit those guys and I even replied to one of your topics about the recent trainee Rixi, but you just ignored me and accepted him straight away. It's not only rixi, but alot including Nemesis who left just like a month or so, Kobalt, EaGle and more... kicking them won't help, it will not make any sense, if you want my opinion. It's too late.
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bla bla bla, A massive kicking is necessary as I can see but also Nikolay should be out since He's showing us an absolute leak of loyalty.
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We were fine 2 or 3 months ago but now we are accepting every random noob. i haven't made any topic about this bcz i thought i am the only who dislikes them but i am wrong.
It's okay, even if you were the only one to think that way, don't be afraid to make a topic talking about it, remember, this is a clan a not a dictatorship, we give alot of value to what our senior/full members have to say, and Nikolay knows this very well, we proved that (https://mk.vc-mp.net/forum/news-and-announcements/eagle-has-been-removed-from-the-clan/) when eagle was accepted as Trainee but since many senior members didn't agree with the decision, we agreed to kick him. That's why I say this is a faulty excuse, I don't believe this is his motive to leave.
our members specially Trannies they don't even give reasons while voting on applications.
Now i think Trannies vote should not be counted bcz they just vote MKt every random noob
This is a reasonable sugestion, we should make a vote about this with the Full members. Also sometimes they all vote yes for their friends which influences the vote count.
i also think this is the right time to do some changes or may be i am little late.
Well, maybe you're a little late but it's okay, atleast you reported the problem. The difference between you and Nikolay is that he chose to leave instead of voicing his concerns trying to fix this, he made his choice, there's not much we can do.
Well. We can do something different in votecounts and kick so many newbies just to earn you back,you know but if you have a problem or doubts about players or whatever,you can talk to us.You are more important than so many players in this clan and your ideas are important.Just tell us what is needed.
There is no need to to kick anyone, at the moment the trainees we've accepted are reasonable, and they can be trained, after all that's what Scouts and Full members are for, to train them. We might however change the way the votes are counted in the applications maybe like moric said above.
It has happened more than once, there was times when I voted no on an application and the applicant was still accepted, and did I leave the clan because of that? No. Other times have came when you voted no and the applicant was still accepted and did you leave the clan because of that? No. This has happened tons of times with tons of other members and none of them left the clan because of it. Sometimes you guys just need to have a little faith that the trainees will get better. I don't know what's wrong with people these days, back in the day when I started playing full members used to help trainees improve as long as they were willing learn.
Kelvin, I already said so many times not to recruit those guys and I even replied to one of your topics about the recent trainee Rixi, but you just ignored me and accepted him straight away. It's not only rixi, but alot including Nemesis who left just like a month or so, Kobalt, EaGle and more... kicking them won't help, it will not make any sense, if you want my opinion. It's too late.
Eagle has already been kicked a while ago, and it's not Kelvin's fault, he's counting the votes, he's only doing his job. And it's not too late we just need to change votes system like I said above to moric. And I still say this is an excuse, I doubt very much this is his real reason to leave the clan.
He's showing us an absolute leak of loyalty.
Yea, with this he just proved that he doesn't care about the clan. Moric has the same concerns as him, yet he didn't leave the clan like him, he chose to stay and try to help.
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Let's try something which was done in EA sometime ago, i wasn't agree but it has proven that it's a good line to build a good staff.
What I'm trying to say is that, we need to give a higher value to the vote given for a full member and less value to the vote given for a scout or a trainee, It gives us less chance to receive biased votes which were not analized in a correct way.
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What I'm trying to say is that, we need to give a higher value to the vote given for a full member and less value to the vote given for a scout or a trainee, It gives us less chance to receive biased votes which were not analized in a correct way.
Yea I tought about something like this too, the way I see it we have 3 options:
1st option
Full Member rank counts 2 votes
Scout rank counts 1 vote
Trainee rank counts no votes
2nd option
Full Member and Scout rank counts 1 vote
Trainee counts no votes
EDIT: Another option
3rd option
Full Member rank counts 2 votes
Scout rank counts 1 vote
Trainee rank counts 1 vote
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1st option
Full Member rank counts 2 votes
Scout rank counts 1 vote
Trainee rank counts no votes
2nd option
Full Member and Scout rank counts 1 vote
Trainee counts no votes
EDIT: Another option
3rd option
Full Member rank counts 2 votes
Scout rank counts 1 vote
Trainee rank counts 1 vote
first option looks good to me
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4th option (added by me, take it into consideration if it looks good)
Full Member rank counts 3 votes
Scout rank counts 2 vote
Trainee rank counts 1 votes (under reserves, that means that if that trainee doesn't post an enough good reason, his/her vote won't be taken into account)
Some of the trainees could have a good reason to vote and it shouldn't be ignored.
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I was thinking of exactly the same yesterday but only full members to be eligible to vote on applications but since there aren't much active full members I'm more for option 1, even though some of the applications are more than obvious and it's not needed to be paid much attention, or we can do it as detonator suggested and discuss it privately among the members along with some of the options as you decide and we should include reasons for our votes so when it comes to result the one who is in charge of the applicants to tell them what he's lacking of so he can focus on improving this, but i don't think you will take it in a consideration since it was suggested some time ago.
One more thing, I'm being blamed every day that we accept "noobs" and the one who do it, do not consider the MKt and MKs purposes which I think affect our reputation, what I'm trying to say is that we should pay more attention of improving trainees and scouts and not only by playing A/D (something we can't organise properly no more) but looking after their maturity, attitude and so on, there were and there are some members who aren't saying a single word in english, if they aren't improving in a long period of time we should set them free.
..Something I might be guilty for.
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Ermm wtf nikolay are you really leaving? When we count you as an honurable member of this family? No, dont go anywhere.You were one of my favourites.I used to enjoy playing with you.Listen to me mate.See we are discussing about it.
And, I Think this case has started when we old players left the game.I should blame myself for it.
Applications must be discussed privately among only full members.Thats the best way
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Applications must be discussed privately among only full members.Thats the best way
If every clan were to discuss applications privately, we would have no way to research about an applicant, because when someone applies we go to other forums and see if we find something bad about them on their applications. And other clans do the same thing when they come to our forum to research about an applicant, so I think we should keep it public. If there's anything that needs to be discussed privately we always have the private boards and everyone is free to make a topic about the applicant.
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You are wrong hans. It doesnt mean i dont listen to you when i accept or deny an application. I always give enough time to applications accept them according to vote counts. If majority wants a player but you dont it has nothing to do with me. I just do my job. About recruiting, no clan can get experienced players nowadays and if you remember we could only beat osk in clan league and sometimes we couldnt evden find enough players for the games. I wanted to have ready players in the hand and i bet no trainee member we have at the moment is bad. Yolu arent evden active enough ingame but i always watch them and they get better day by dağ.
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1. Nico - How could you just decide to leave on such a reason? You surely can do many things about it. You just had to make a topic like this but just the content could have been different. One really has to put forward their ideas to the family as I(atleast me) is inactive these days due to personal life. But that doesn't mean senior member like you or Halch or anyone here who can see this(Shit players being accepted) would post such a reason.
2. We can go by the voting of just the members but one thing to look here is, how many members are actually active. We need to figure that out first and then we can streamline our voting accordingly. What I would suggest here is, you can make a vote count for all scouts and trainees and just let the members vote to whose votes would else be counted with the members. For ex -> There are 10-12 active members. We got 12 votes, One member can vote once and only 1 scout and 1 trainee. So, whichever the 2 vote getting highest trainee or scout there is, we shall count their votes only and noone else. And yes, we can keep the secrecy of that thing totally within us.
3. We can even have a mass kickout. We have had it in past and we can again have it. Clearing a roaster is not something one should be scared of.
4. Nico, trainee tag we made is for newbies itself. I do know that full members are not much active these days but vcmp itself is on a stagnant time these days. And trust me, once it charms me back, I will be back with a roll and hit streets. Take initiatives to do things not always your leader or co leader would be doing everything. We value everyone and every member. To know actual worth and what you have in your mind, you gotta tell us bcz we cannot read each other's mind while being on internet.
5. Take back that god damn stupid decision back and talk about who all members needs to mended upon and we all can have a brief discussion about it.
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Seems like a faulty excuse to me. You say you didn't like how things were going but you didn't really do anything to change it, you could've created a topic talking about it or pm'ed the leaders, you just didn't care.
NewK, Why should I search for lame excuses if I really like the clan? I guess I've proved that. Another thing, In my first post I was trying to say it's only me and (probably a few full members) who don't like that we accepted some members and I thought that everyone else is fine with that. I do admit I did a mistake and unwanted drama by doing this, should have made a topic or something.
Applications must be discussed privately among only full members.Thats the best way
If every clan were to discuss applications privately, we would have no way to research about an applicant, because when someone applies we go to other forums and see if we find something bad about them on their applications. And other clans do the same thing when they come to our forum to research about an applicant, so I think we should keep it public. If there's anything that needs to be discussed privately we always have the private boards and everyone is free to make a topic about the applicant.
Well, I was thinking about changing the current vote system to private, but yes it has its pros and cons. One of which is this, but I don't really mind as long as everyone else is fine with it. Another thing I was thinking about is to leave the current system as it is, but we (full members) to have a board where we can discuss about the applicant and stuff.
4th option (added by me, take it into consideration if it looks good)
Full Member rank counts 3 votes
Scout rank counts 2 vote
Trainee rank counts 1 votes (under reserves, that means that if that trainee doesn't post an enough good reason, his/her vote won't be taken into account)
Some of the trainees could have a good reason to vote and it shouldn't be ignored.
This is good, but again I think we should have a private board (only mk full members).
What I'm trying to say is that, we need to give a higher value to the vote given for a full member and less value to the vote given for a scout or a trainee, It gives us less chance to receive biased votes which were not analized in a correct way.
Not suitable imho.
We were fine 2 or 3 months ago but now we are accepting every random noob. i haven't made any topic about this bcz i thought i am the only who dislikes them but i am wrong.
It's okay, even if you were the only one to think that way, don't be afraid to make a topic talking about it, remember, this is a clan a not a dictatorship, we give alot of value to what our senior/full members have to say, and Nikolay knows this very well, we proved that (https://mk.vc-mp.net/forum/news-and-announcements/eagle-has-been-removed-from-the-clan/) when eagle was accepted as Trainee but since many senior members didn't agree with the decision, we agreed to kick him. That's why I say this is a faulty excuse, I don't believe this is his motive to leave.
Well, yeah I thought the same and still Newk why should I search for excuses when I've been in this clan for like 2 years now, which clan I love with all my heart, doesn't make sense to me. And yes we kicked Eagle back then, but tell me what we do if someone dislikes an applicant even though stating the facts about him, he still gets accepted per the votes?
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He's showing us an absolute leak of loyalty.
Yea, with this he just proved that he doesn't care about the clan. Moric has the same concerns as him, yet he didn't leave the clan like him, he chose to stay and try to help.
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Consider it as you want, I think it's too rude to say that I don't care about the clan since I've been a member of it for like 2 years. Moric has his own decisions and he can decide whether to leave or not. I just did what I thought it was good.
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NewK, Why should I search for lame excuses if I really like the clan? I guess I've proved that. Another thing, In my first post I was trying to say it's only me and (probably a few full members) who don't like that we accepted some members and I thought that everyone else is fine with that. I do admit I did a mistake and unwanted drama by doing this, should have made a topic or something.
That's true, you proved that you're loyal and you earned our trust by being in this clan for so long but once you made this topic and made the decision to leave, you lost all the trust we put in you.
Well, I was thinking about changing the current vote system to private, but yes it has its pros and cons. One of which is this, but I don't really mind as long as everyone else is fine with it. Another thing I was thinking about is to leave the current system as it is, but we (full members) to have a board where we can discuss about the applicant and stuff.
This board we're in is only available to full members already, I've always said you guys are free to create topics here to discuss whatever you want to, and don't worry, even if you're the only one who has an opinion, it's always good to discuss it among members so we can reach a solution that pleases the majority.
Consider it as you want, I think it's too rude to say that I don't care about the clan since I've been a member of it for like 2 years. Moric has his own decisions and he can decide whether to leave or not. I just did what I thought it was good.
If you think it was rude, that's fine it's your opinion, but this topic and your decision to leave was pretty rude aswell, specially after we put so much trust in you over these years.
Well, yeah I thought the same and still Newk why should I search for excuses when I've been in this clan for like 2 years now, which clan I love with all my heart, doesn't make sense to me. And yes we kicked Eagle back then, but tell me what we do if someone dislikes an applicant even though stating the facts about him, he still gets accepted per the votes?
Like I said above; it's true you've been in this clan for a long time now and you've earned your place but when you made this decision about leaving, how do you think that made us feel? It made us feel like we miss-placed our trust in you because even after 2 years you chose to leave instead of trying to find a solution for these issues. And yes, there's going to be times where we won't all agree on the applications but that's how it is, that's how every clan works, it's impossible to please every single member, but that is nothing new. We've all been in the same place where you are now, It has happened to pretty much everyone in this clan, many of us have voted negative on some applications and they were still accepted, but none of us left the clan because of it, if we were to leave the clan every time we didn't agree with applications, alot of us would've probably left already. When a situation like that happens, we just try to have a little faith and believe that the trainee will get better, or sometimes we train it ourselves so that we make sure that he gets better. (Hopefully with the new votecount system, situations like this won't happen anymore)
About your membership, I've talked with ashay already and I told him that if the majority of our active full members want you back, and if you also want to come back, I have no problem with that, since you've admitted a mistake and you've been a member of this clan for a long a time and I never had any reason for complaints about you.